I believe your question hits the mark for many of us. One can only hope that the admins may already be considering some way to put a fair and equitable end to such activities.
kraxpelax
Member
Of course there´s no question about formality. It´s you site, your rules, and I will conform to them. Here I just say I dislike them; but that doers NOT imply I will disarespect them. <br /> <br />So there are not ONE, but TWO discissions here. Don´t mix them up. <br /> <br />Personally, I think enough is enough, and given I will respect your rules, and that I recognize your right to define and apply them, I hope this little storm will be over. <br /> <br />(Btw, using another person´s photo is of course NOT the same as "claiming it as one´s own"; what´s this nonsense...? And if my neighbourt took my realty photo USING it freely. it may very well be violation of copyright in the legal sense; but as a person of honor and judgement, I wouldn´´t care the slightest about it.) <br /> <br />And again: in order to prove my good intentions, right now I will look through my portfolio and myself delete all wallpapers I judge in conflict with yor rules. There will be a few.
Gregor KlevĹľe
Member
Hello :) <br /> <br />I must admit thats a really good question :) But it´s hard to find good answer or solution. We´re actually free service and we offer everyone to upload their artwork. We could limit or moderate uploads to SB. But I think if really someone upload their work whole day only for that he appears on first page, he probably cant count on long term success on this scene. If you´re work hard and your work is good people will notice you anyway if you´re on the first page or on the top10 position on any chart. After all, thats just my opinion. <br /> <br /><small> <br />And just another one chart: http://www.skinbase.org/top20.php <br />Ok with this link I just wanna show you top20 skins/wallz/photo here at skinbase voted by users and it used our rating system :) I think it´s good, because only good stuff appears here. <br /></small>
Anonymous
Member
Thanks for the link!!gRAVE :-)
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kraxpelax
Member
Like were quality = scarcity by definition. What about passion, ambition and diligence, and gradual improvement of techniques. For some 9 months I´ve been working full time all u-n-p-a-i-d doing WP:s. First of March I first hit Wallpaperbase, now I have 383 up there and about as many refutes. <br /> <br />http://www.wallpaperbase.com/author/Kraxpelax-viewall-1.shtml <br /> <br />Being active on several more places too. And there´s NO double publishing; they´re all unique, though I do cloning: varying color, shape, texture, details does a lot to enrich the art of image. Back in canvas times, this was too cumbersome. Today it´s not. <br /> <br />I don´t think strangling supply, thus applying a principle gone all obsolete, would be competitive on any part. <br /> <br />
snowman
Member
Mr Kraxpelax. I just had a look at your "portfolio" both here on Skinbase and on that other site. <br />The first question that springs to mind is: <b>don´t you have any idea about copyrights and respect for other peoples work?</b> <br /> <br />PS: your portfolio here on Skinbase has been cleaned out and I do suspect you have noticed that past uploads has been deleted just about as quickly as they were uploaded. Please refrain from uploading any more pieces that violates other peoples copyrights. <br /> <br /><center><u>Ripping</u> other peoples work is <b>not</b> tolerated</center> <br /> <br />
Anonymous
Member
As a solution for having too many uploads by one person at one time in the same category, you might consider a small colum with, say the latest 5 different people having uploaded in that category :)
kchristine
Member
That´s a nice idea lecrayon.
kraxpelax
Member
Mr. Snowman. You just cannot stop insulting me, can you. <br /> <br />So, "I don´t have respect", huh? What insinuance!!! <br /> <br />"Respect"??? <br /> <br />About my cleaned portfolio? I have no complaint whatever. I have myself deleted some 50 old wp:s for bad quality. That last one you deleted? Fine, it wasn´t very good. <br /> <br />"Copyright"??? Don´t be ludicrous. <br /> <br />If I see a tree, take a plain realistic photo, just showing what´s really there to SEE, of it for image processing into a wallpaper, no problem huh? <br /> <br />But if my neighbour takes precisely the same photo, then It´s "copyright violation" if I use it??? This is nonsense. <br /> <br />There are two kind of photographies: reality photo and art photo. Reality photos are just objective and impersonal, just showing the reality itself, no moderation or processing at all invoilved. Claiming copyright" for such photography is but idiotic, since any capable photographer would have taken in essence precisely the same photo. <br /> <br />With art photography, it´s different. It´s personal and unique, and you must not COPY it, because then the concept of copyright makes sense. <br /> <br />Now since you CHOOSE the option of insult, insinuance, and entirely unprovoked hostility against me, instead of having a calm discussion, I will hit back on the same wavelength. <br /> <br />Here at Skinbase, we see many professional and highly skilled designers.- This is excellent. <br /> <br />But we do as well se a bunch of dilettantes and plagiarizers. I see these teenagerfools are perfectly OK with you; insteae you attack ME, for no good reason at all, and then I feel free to tell my opinion on all that miserable trash allowed up here. THERE´s somethinmg to complain about! <br /> <br />NO, I do not want this site moderated. Just let it all be. <br /> <br />No, I have no objections to that "cleaning" of my portfolio, that in any case just deleted 3 or 4 of them. No loss at all, it´s perfectly OK with me. My very best wallpapews, that cannot in any sensible way be accused of "copyright violation" , are still up, and thats to me the important thing. <br /> <br />For the future, I will take great care NOT running the risk of this "copyright" problem again. All my workd will be undeniably original and complex. <br /> <br />Next time you want to talk with me, DON´T start the communication by aggression and insult, because it will cost you too much. Be sensible; be polite; and don´t behave like a hysterical teenager like so many others. <br /> <br />Because since I started up as a WP artist, I can assure you, I have talken enough sh*t and enough hostility, and I reserve to myself the unlimited right of fighting back as good as I can, and the way I myself decide. <br /> <br />Live and let live, don´t yoy try to screw me again, jbasic rule: just leave me alone, and I will stay out of all conflict. <br /> <br />NOW DID I MAKE MYSELF CLEAR. <br /> <br />
snowman
Member
<i>If I see a tree, take a plain realistic photo, just showing what´s really there to SEE, of it for image processing into a wallpaper, no problem huh? <br />But if my neighbour takes precisely the same photo, then It´s "copyright violation" if I use it??? This is nonsense.</i> <br /> <br />No, that is not a copyright violation because your neighbour is the original artist of his photo but if your neighbour took <b>your</b> photo and claimed it was his, then it´d been a copyright violation. <br /> <br />Do you see the similarities? You´re taking other peoples "photos" and claiming them as your own, <b>that</b> is a copyright violation. <br /> <br />You can fight back all you want but as long as you´re violating the Skinbase submission policy you´ll be in the losing end of the battle. <br /> <br /><center><b>Any user</b> that continously submit submissions that violates our submission policy <u>will</u> face a possible banning from the site.</center>
kchristine
Member
Thanks guys. I´m really hoping that some of the other artists that have run into this kind of behavior on this site will weigh in also. <br /> <br />Please, admins, help us out here.
snowman
Member
<i>It´s you site, your rules, and I will conform to them.</i> <br />Yes, its "our" site. <br />No, it´s not our rules - the copyright law exist even if its not written anywhere, we simply enforce the law. <br /> <br /><i>using another person´s photo is of course NOT the same as "claiming it as one´s own"; what´s this nonsense...?</i> <br />Using other peoples photos/work without permission <b>IS</b> in fact the same as claiming it as your own even if you don´t say so. <br />If you submit anything you have automatically agreed to that you are the logal copyright holder (original artist) of said submission. <br />That fact cannot be disputed in any way, just read our submission policy - or any submission policy on any site. <br /> <br />And just end things of: what you choose to to let others do with your (original) work is totally your business. If its ok by you that other people use your work, then that is just fine. Just don´t see it as an automatically mutual agreement, giving you the right to use other peoples work as you see fit.
kraxpelax
Member
I suggest you stop repeating yourself. I am not senile.
snowman
Member
As long as you doesn´t seem to get the point of this issue I <b>have</b> to repeat myself.
kraxpelax
Member
Could you say that again please? I didn´t read you. And besides: nonsense is nonsense no matter how much it´s reperated.
pk
Member
ha, you´re funny Kraxpelax. Its good to have people around who have humour, I like the act you are playing on these copyright violations, well set up :-)
Anonymous
Member
I think I am going to sue all scientists who are in the cloning industry LOL
kraxpelax
Member
Actually, I am not quiote as mad as I may appear... Just about 95%. LOL 8|p :devil
macndabox
Member
To Kraxpelax....Thankyou for the comments and interest in my art...it´s people like you that make the difference in my life and keep me going.!
macndabox
Member
I second that...
yrgal
Member
/me <br>
adni18
Member
It is really a problem, we understand. <br />We try not to be dictators. <br /><b> We hope that the author(s) will understand the problem caused and behave his/her/their self by respecting the hard work of the rest mate/authors... </b> <br /> <br />This site belong to all of us, it is not a personal site and we must learn to respect the others :) <br />
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kchristine
Member
Hi adni. Glad to see that the admins are aware, as always, of this problem. I hate to see Skinbase have to put a limit on uploads, but I also don´t see it as dictating. I really don´t have a problem with someone who occasionally posts a large number of images at one time. The problem for me and, I think, others is the person who is not happy unless he is the only one on the front page. Up to this time, he doesn´t seem to have gotten the hint that Skinbase isn´t his to control. Maybe a strongly worded private message explaining to him what this site is about? To me it´s obvious, but evidently not to him.
Anonymous
Member
Hi adni,ok i ´ll respect the site and post on another way,Thanks. <br />PS.And Kchristine and Maryqualls this site has nothing to do with your private problem on your personnel website!!!!! LOL !!!! <br />And kchristine you have other ways to explain this problem and i mostly post in photography ,this is not damaging your work. !!!!!
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adni18
Member
<b> I think we have solved this temp problem ;) :) </b> <br /> <br />
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kraxpelax
Member
From now on I will post only 2 WP:s in a row.
kraxpelax
Member
From now on I will post only 2 WP:s in a row.
kraxpelax
Member
I do NOT see a point in settin an upload limit. Rather, I think the activity here is too low, and it would be great if we could get other WP artists active here. I´ will do some informal advertising for Skinbase myself (as indeed I have really done; it was I who tipped Tarmac off about our existence). I am myself working more or less full time wirh DWP art - or "screenfonds", as I prefer to call it. I am active on several other big sites as well, and I take great care never to post exactly the same screenfond more than once. <br /> <br />The problem with limit setting is that it requires competence. A very sad case is Hebus, the moderator of which has proven just horrible incompetence lately. <br /> <br />The best alternatives to Skinbase are in my opinion WallpaperBase and Zed Wallpapers. The latter is a great French site that really deserves an upswing. Mind´s Eyes and good old Desktopia are fine too. <br /> <br />And, while online, I´ll state my philosophy. To me, Copyright is anathema. Art must be FREE! So, anyone is perfectly free to download my creations and do precisely what you want with it, with no restrictions whatever. Imitation or outright plagiarism of the kind that has largely spoiled Hebus will in the end only bounce back on the culprit, since the large distribution on the growing number of free sites will in itself reasonably well ensure the authenticity of authorship claims.
macndabox
Member
Heh... I think there are less active WP artists because newer artists tend to spoil the community and take the fun out of uploading. Quantity seems more important then quality and statistics are all that matters these days. I say this because I have an alias here started in 2001 and I used to be a top author, hell, I haven´t used my alias in 2yrs and I´m still top 100...that says a lot... Mass uploading wont make you number 1... Time and Effort will...ask Adni!
OK, I had that look and got respect immediately since it´s clear that at your best you´re real real good. It will be a pleasure to follow your works here in the future, because this is the real thing in with a genuine originality and quality; it should in my opinion be backed up with quantity as well. You have excellent sober taste and soundly shun empty display, certainly deserving encouragement.
adni18
Member
Hi macndabox :) <br />What was your first nick name? <br /> <br />Cheers Peter :)
macndabox
Member
lol... bugzlitey adni... I wasn´t going to tell...but since you asked...
adni18
Member
So it is you dear bugzlitey, cheers! :)
Anonymous
Member
Kchristine put the issue clearly, there are still skinmembers who are posting 5 images in the same gallery.I did it also but I learned my lessons. I cannot understand why such a member of long term is doing such things , may be he didn´t read the post.So it would be a good idea to respond on the last poll from Snowman , thanks. Joost
taxifunk
Member
Read this long ago thinking was meant to be considered closed + almost restarted new one. Glad its up again. I would cope with an upload limit. Make it monthly limit so new guys can set up a 1st page but still automatically quiet down in other weeks. Some weeks I have to set up a whole new page fast and get somewhere else and finish that totally fast. An artist here invited me elsewhere where I only set up crosslinks back here that also have a new meaning there. Limit there gives too embarassing comments by friends before enough is up to have comments spread more naturally. <br /> <br />Kraxpelax might be glad to here I dont like releasing 5 things to same cat same day because that even spoils effect ON MY OWN stats of my other things. There were some weekends with less traffic in both countries, ideal for uploading more, when I did pump 2 logons and a preview into the system. <br /> <br />Btw a guy who might be using bots and interactive phps for us could have followed from JU and WC where he was Bled and exiled over to render and here. Here fictitious help quests keep me from work n plagiated skins which dont matter, at render search for artists names seem down because anything like kchristine, crayon, joost, me and anybody has 20 nonexisting similar fictitious ids around em that I didnt see last week. He changes hashes and site names too. 1 day he might set it up so in your browser someone else who really exists posted his junk and mess up emails. He is working hard for months. And now was let back in again at joeusercom under his original name Bailey, Lucas because they want traffic real bad and may figure they are helpless, considering how many anonymous and registered false ids hes used there. Instead of giving you a 20 name list of pages that were traps for me here I will try to upload a thing or 2 myself hoping it is not just for here and today and knowing it is a test and something downl. here, although each comment is a download etc.
