Just tried it, Sally -- and I am in shock! Out of curiosity, I then did the Google image search on skinbase.org and it appears that the site´s archives show up, in their entirety...page after page after page of skins/wallz/photos. <br /> <br />Is this a good thing? Or a bad thing? }:?
kchristine
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Well, that led me to try kchristine in the Yahoo image search. I didn´t pull up any images at all. LOL not to popular with the yahoo search engine I guess. <br /> <br />I would ask also is this good or bad? Do you think this encourages people to rip the best of artists? Just wondering and hope you all can supply me with a reasonable answer.
taxifunk
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It shows stuff that is meanwhile not on the displayed URLs anymore, and leads to sitenames instead of pictures themselves involved with the nick sometimes. Still a good reminder here in this thread to copyguard some stuff a bit later. Which some hackers will always try to get around. Depending on what they do with it, u can´t even always call it a legal offense. Google has a way of wording things to get around having problems themselves. <br /> <br />It can also be good for the artist, of course. Some people add descrips to their photos saying what royalty terms are, or usage terms, incl. contact address + prices. Not a bad idea. And this is a VERY good topic, Sally! :aw Of course there are are better image search engines than google, but they are quite expensive, + Google claims to be the biggest one. However its technical funtions are limited. On the other hand, people seem to prefer metatagging to THEM. <br /> <br />Thus, amateur rippers WILL prefer channels like these to some other ones. Some amateur rippers just follow paths with less obstacles + dont know much about certain things at all, so many of them really ARE slowed down by the copyguarding of many images that engine finds.. ;) <br /> <br />I use that search for fast cheap research rather often, it often lead me to where people ripped from, and also showed me where I could get affordable or free LEGAL things to use in some places. What I then did being a SKINNER, I not only tried to get in touch with the author on my own before and after using things to skin with, I also made a PUBLIC USAGE REPORT in a light bin so other skinners etc. knew that even if it was public domain, the idea of making a skin with it was NOT new either anymore, whatever consequences that may have (it´s just good to know, right?). Sometimes ripping the SKIN is illegal even though the image is officially shared for any free use incl. paysites (and watch out, read the terms, those terms are unusual anyway). <br /> <br />Rippers dont always care about or know about these things. If they are minors, they and their parents are lucky if they just get a friendly warning the first time. Some rippers will try their stunts even without any internet or pc being on this planet. It seems hard to forbid databases making money off just showing you what is publicly accessible where - that might change a bit, legally, but practically? <br /> <br />U.S. Internet law works exactly the opposite way around from German jurisdiction - read Brad Wardells article at the Adrenaline Vault about it. In the meantime, I try to use it the good way instead of getting punished for abuse - some really get burned :witch
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kchristine
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I thought it was a pretty good topic also Tobe. I was more interested in what people thought of this then I was concerned that I pulled up so many of my own images. Pulled yours up too and a picture of Joost. LOL not sure what Joost´s picture is doing as part of your image search but it brought a smile!! So who´s to say. I know at one time, Google got into some trouble with this image search and copyright infringement. I can´t remember the name of the company but will try to find out. Anyway, the end result was Google had to pull all those images out of its search engine or whatever the proper jargon is.
taxifunk
Member
Joost is not on my sites anymore. In the old days when I had permission, that pic lead to his renderosity and to his skinbase gallery to help him get visitors, but it is not there anymore and til this day I am still paying for + investing time in this hobby. If that changes, the artists work is either payed for the way we agreed on or not presented. Unless I even have permission for royalty free use on pay sites. <br /> <br />What I would need more than word sensitive picture search would be an image COMPARING tool affordable. <br /> <br />Glad to hear even Google has to react sometimes. They get rather rich off other folks ideas, and live off the fact that most stuff stays in till there is a report. Some friendly sites do that too, I guess. If they get rich, they will suffer more punishment I hope. If its intentional, and google, good question, hmh. I could tell long stories about each image there search engine shows the wrong way. It takes so much time. First I spent weeks of free web design to help Joost, and me, I thought, then I spent weeks of removing links and images even in the shacks and servers without which it couldnt have been online. But lengthy mails to all my friends and abusers, where is the limit }:? One day I might have a free secretary :china for this, who knows. <br /> <br />By showing a thumb they might violate copyrights. Worst thing I heard was, some people got away with a screenshot of copyrighted WORDS instead of posting the words as a .txt which is a violation (changes in each country every day, I better not get into more details..)
kchristine
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You know I think the thing that presents a problem is that a lot of times you can get a full-size image off that search. I only clicked on a few of mine and wasn´t getting full-sizes, but I have to admit I have taken full-size images from those little thumbnails. Used them as desktops. I guess honest people will stay honest and those that rip will continue to rip with or without google´s image search. I still in my own mind don´t know if it´s a good thing or a bad thing. Hopefully some other people will join this discussion and we can get other points of view.
joosttielemans
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What i have to do TAXIFUNK and Sally with google and images..i need not help to view my images but thanks for taht Toby!When i post my name in Google,i have my all gallery on artwanted .com and a lot of writing in gusetbooks in a long time ago for graphics-galore..I have no problems with taht... :Happy
kchristine
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Joost try going to the google search engine. Click on images. Then put in your name or one of the sign-ons you have used to upload work to various sites. See if it pulls up anything. I believe if you don´t want it to pull any images you can ask google to remove that option in their search. If you want to do that, I will try to find you a way to contact them.
joosttielemans
Member
Thanks Sally for the clear explanation :Happy ..Go try it later and give you a answear my friend Sally... :Happy Thanks a lot....
kchristine
Member
Your welcome Joost.
alfa30
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hello everyone!:D <br /> I cannot what think on this subject… :( <br /> but I think that ¦Sally¦ is not wrong… it is true that it is practical, but I think that our work will have more chance to be pirated… leave you the choice…:)
joosttielemans
Member
Agree with you Alfa30 and Sally.But work is always pirated i think... :Happy