NEW SKINBASE POLICY - UPLOAD LIMITS

Thank you everybody for posting your thoughts and suggestions here. The WHOLE staff appreciates it!!!! :Happy

Hey mickelblue...I don´t know what I do here but on another thread it posted the same message three times ,two minutes apart and I only submitted once just like here so.....mystified. As for is my limit up now for twenty four hours...it may well be...stranger things have happened in cyberland...lol 😎 ;)

Just a note to Saalien about "my" zip-pack idea...I love the way Michael (xoxroth) uploads his beautiful work in packs and so that´s where the idea came from. Heh...I´m not near computer-smart enough to think of it for myself. :D

I love it when I can download a pack and get several beautiful wallpapers by a saalien or an xoxroth and even the cranky woman commenting above me. :Happy

<br />Yeah, with zipped works there is NO LIMIT! <br />One zip with many wallpapers is great idea for those who want to upload more than 2 daily ;) <br /> <br /><b> Packed works have no limit! </b>

Great idea, zipped packs with a tiled preview.! ;) <br />

Go to http://www.skinbase.org/rate.php?skins=30227 to see how easy it is to display all the images in your zipped pack, If it wasn&acute;t easy, I couldn&acute;t have done it. :D :D <br />

So if packed works have no limit I am curious as to why unpacked works do. I am also curious as to why themed works have no limit yet single works do. Considering the initial decision to change was based on back to back uploads it seems a little discriminatory. If the packed works are displayed the downloader may have to take three to four images they don&acute;t want to get the one they do. It makes it a more laborious process for the end user and it also means they do not get a true picture of the end product they are recieving because the preview is so small. I will abide by the two a day upload but to me it makes no sense that I can see that is helpful. I am trying to see your point of view but am having difficulty with your argument. :)

No limit? Really? I thought the limit was two uploads per day, packed or not. Could someone clarify this for me, please? I&acute;m old and easily confused...sorry. :(

Adni&acute;s statement above is clear...packed works have no limit. Neither do themed works which leaves wallpaper producers disadvantaged due to the actions of a single pinhead that uploaded 61 in one hit. I do not see the new policy as either being fair or reasonable.

The wallpaper producers are the ones uploading the packs. :fun

I guess we just understood it differently, Iain. To me, he meant that one zipped pack meant no limit on the number of images you included in the zip, and that the upload limit remained in place for the number of uploads per day as originally stated. I know that other sites I&acute;ve posted on in the past (a couple you probably are a member of too) have upload limits and consider a zipped pack as ONE UPLOAD. For example, I&acute;ve seen xr upload packs containing a dozen or more individual wallz - and those packs were considered as a single upload. I certainly plan to abide by the Skinbase submission gujidelines - whatever they are or may become - quite happily. I just want to be sure I understand them correctly. I know what your position on upload limits is, my comment was asking Skinbase Administration for clarification. <br />

This is my last comment of the night. I&acute;m tired and my brain is going to sleep. The future of any artistic site are the new, up and coming artists. They are the growth and betterment of any site. Without them, then a site will become stagnant and full of the same type of images. Their new ideas, creativity, talent and enthusiasm are what will take any site to greater heights. That is the way it should be. If we, as older, experienced artists, need to give up a few uploads a day to accomplish that, then it&acute;s a good thing.

<br />Mountainhawk said above: <br />&quot;I do not see the new policy as either being fair or reasonable&quot; <br /> <br />Why is that dear MH? <br />Have you ever thought that a very good work sometimes may take days or even months to be finished...and after the upload of this hard work and while the author is waiting proudly to see people feedback, someone comes with 6 &quot;garbage 5 min works&quot; and sends away from first page the previous masterpiece... <br /> <br /><b> We are trying hard to be fair and reasonable to all members of Skinbase! <br />There are no advantages or disadvantages in Skinbase! </b> :)

It is my opinion Nikos that people downloading an image have the right to view its quality and thereby use that view to help them decide whether they want it or not. Zip packs to not allow the downloader to view the quality of the image. Also they have yo accept the entire pack when they may only want one image. After downloading they then have to sort through and find the one they want and disgard the rest. Why subject the downloader to such bother. Some works as you say do take days or months to finish, That is not a guarantee the image is good or of quality. Some five minute jobs are better than some that have taken longer. Yes people do get shunted off the page. It has happened to me. The 61 Uploader being a prime example. The point is Nikos, everything was running quite okay until that guy pulled the stunt he did. Now all wallpaper artists are paying for his poor judgement. The absolute majority of uploaders to this site have always behaved responsibly and respectfully when uploading, The main point is wallpaper artists unless they stick to 2 uploads a day are being forced to deprive the downloader of viewing the quality and if opting for a zip pack is basically asking them to take a risk on what they are downloading. In the instance of zip packs ,is it okay to load a zip pack with 61 images in it? Will that not stress the servers if we all begin to load huge ass zip packs? There is a clear disadvantage when skinners can upload as many of one skin as they like if it runs on a theme yet wallpaper artists are restricted to either two uploads a day or place the downloader at a disadvantage and load zip packs so contrary to your statement there clearly are advantages and disadvantages in SkinBase. I do not feel it is necessary when ,as I said earlier the problem was with back to back uploads not whether someone loaded five or six a day spread over a reasonable time frame. It gives the downloaders a greater selection and therefore brings more through traffic. Restrict the uploads and therefor the selection and people will get frustrated with the stagnancy of images to choose from. As I said, everthing was fine up until our friend uploaded 61 at once...now , it would seem,all wallpaper artists are paying for his folly. Just to prove time spent on a work does not guarantee quality....the last work of mine you featured took me fifteen minutes...go read your comments and everyone elses on that image. I think their needs to be a little flexibility here in order to encourage a participatory, productive atmosphere. I am not asking everyone to agree with me or say I am right. I have no need to win or lose. I am simply putting my thoughts out in the open for discussion. There is no attack or threat intended....just simple peaceful discussion. I like this site a hell of a lot which is why I am putting my point forward.

We love the peaceful and creative discussion mountainhawk :Happy <br />We love to hear Skinbase members opinions too. <br /> <br />That&acute;s why I will go on with this discussion ;) <br /> <br /><b> I wonder why someone wants to upload so many works in one day??? </b> <br /> <br />Have you ever thoughted that people may be tired of the same author or an author who uploads too many works may find him self having no comments on his works after some time??? People get tired saying the same things all the time in comments and kindness has a limit. <br />You know that always in the end those authors are disapointed and stop uploading for the same reason: no comments in their works! <br />I &acute;ve seen that movie too many times in the past. <br /> <br />That is why I am asking: <b> Why someone wants to upload so many works in one day??? </b> <br /> <br />You said: &quot;Just to prove time spent on a work does not guarantee quality....the last work of mine you featured took me fifteen minutes...&quot; <br /> <br />The exceptions are making the rules dear MH, a 15 minutes work for a wallpaper may rarely give as result a masterpiece, but most of the time the results of 15 minutes works are low level or garbages ;) <br /> <br /> <br />

All I see in your reply is justifications for sticking to your decision and whilst you talk of quality of images you make no mention of the issue I brought up which was ensuring the downloaders...the end user gets quality work by being able to preview the image in actual size which zip packs cannot provide. Nor have you answered whether a zip pack containing 61 images is acceptable or whether it would slow the servers just as much as a back to back upload. Nor have you answered why due to one dimwitted uploader the rest of us producing wallpapers are now disadvantaged. What you have stated is quite true. If your work is good it will always draw comments and attention...if it is not ,by the laws of natural attririon it will fade into oblivion. If an author has a particularly creative patch he or she can easily upload six images in a day and if they are good they will draw comment and remark with little effort from people. Seems to me you are making a lot of excuses instead of addressing the real issue which is why has the back to back uploading issue been addressed in a fashion where it clearly interferes with what prior was a smooth running affair. One pinhead has caused the rest of us to suffer when it should be only the offender being curtailed here and not everyone else. I fail to see the logic in the decision made to restrict uploads to two daily for wallpaper artist or we can jam as many images in a zip pack as we like that the end user cannot determine the quality of or gets a whole bunch of images they don&acute;t want in order to get the one they do. I thought the purpose was to attract people here not deter them. I thought the purpose was to deliver the best possible service to the end user with a varied selection of images with the ability to constantly provide fresh new work. This decision restricts and interferes with that happening. For the second day running I have watched uploads in the wallpaper section slow to a trickle. At one point four images uploaded in a period of six hours......is that what we are looking for...I don&acute;t think so. :Smile

One other point that puzzles me Nikos is on the night in question when the 61 images were uploaded I passed comment on the chat board as to what was happening. It was impossible for me to upload and it took only a short time for me to conclude what was going on so I stated I was leaving uploading until later so the matter could be sorted. The question begging to be answered is why the administration allowed the abuse of uploading to continue to the tune of 61 back to back. Why was it not blocked and a note sent to the person in question? Then, which I find really amusing is the person virtually the next day recieves a featured wall award as if he is being rewarded for obstructing everyone else...not saying the work was not worthy...but given the circumstances of it being there I found it mildly amusing. Beauty as they say is in the eye of the beholder. I would be interested, given you talk of time to produce an image as to how long the author spent producing said 61 images. That night was like a production line in a commercial print shop....diabolical. And an isolated incident from my experience. I think the reaction to it is heavy handed on those not responsible for it.

In all honesty, upload limits have been discussed since before I became a moderator. The fact that we are all laying it at the feet of one who uploaded 61 images, including myself in that, is not quite the scenario. Uploads and traffic are doing fine. The excellence of the images is what brings in traffic, not how many were uploaded in a day or by whom. Maybe we all just need to take a deep breath and give it a chance instead of condemning it in the first three days. Believe me, Nikos will know a dip in traffic if he sees it. He, as always, will do what he thinks is best for all members and anonymous visitors. Why don&acute;t we just give it a chance?

Good points, Sally. And let us not forget what a famous person has said: Contempt prior to investigation will keep you in everlasting ignorance. :)

I am not against giving it a chance...I am questioning why it is being done in the manner it is when prior to that incident all was well. I am also questioning why a medium such as zip packs is being promoted when it clearly disadvantages the end user. If we are interested in quality and doing the right thing then why promote that medium.? Why place one section of the fraternity here at a disavantage to others. Are we about fair play and level playing fields or not. That is all I am asking. I choose not to be ignorant BY investigating....I thought that was apparently obvious or maybe for some it is not. Am I not seeking answers?

I don&acute;t know if this will enlighten or not. If a person is going to put low quality images in a pack, they are also going to upload low quality images one at a time. It&acute;s the difference in one upload and however many they upload singly. It&acute;s a matter of choice and a viable alternative for wallpaper artists and photographers. Nobody is saying they have to do that. Those that choose to do it will and I am glad they do. I&acute;ve never downloaded a pack that was full of poor quality images. Might be that I am just lucky or it might be that artists take pride in what they produce. Like I stated previously, I started a thread on this messageboard asking about upload limits a year ago. The subject has come up many times since then. Since becoming a moderator, I have had discussions with other moderators and with administrators. We need to forget the 61 images and understand that it would have happened eventually anyway. This just happened to be the time. I, for one, am happy to see it happen. I like seeing a new uploader be on the front page for longer than five minutes. I think it can be very discouraging to put up your first few wallpapers that don&acute;t get a chance to be seen. Granted, I see the argument coming :Happy good art is always found sooner or later. Unfortunately with a new uploader instant gratification goes along way to building the confidence they need to continue. New member uploaders should, in my opinion, be one of our priorities.

I am not disagreeing with what you are saying Sally other than the issue of restrictions. On my observation everyone was getting their fifteen minutes of fame on the front page and they at least get to be seen on the front page here unlike the problem that has been inherant at devART since they changed from V1 to V2. You can post art there and never see it hit the front page. Here they do so that is a giant plus. On the subject of zip packs...let me try gett ing my point across some other way. Place yourself in the position of an end user. When you purchase things do you take the word of the person that it is good or do you expect to see it before you take it?. Would you take a car from me sight unseen?Purchase a TV or anything else without first seeing it? Would you take a car of your choice if I said you also had to take three you didn&acute;t want also that you didn&acute;t like or have use for. For those that find zip packs a plus I bet the end user has other views. New uploaders do get encouraged here and prior to the restrictions were getting on the front page and getting their fifteen minutes of fame so I don&acute;t see that argument as particularly plausible.My personal opinion is it is unnecessary to restrict given the general responsible way the general population of artists behave here. I would not be inclined to curb the sites growth with a ruling like has been put in place especially when it clearly disadvantages one section of the community. But as I say that is just my opinion and I realise you have a job to do and I thank you for your civility. :congrats

I have asked twice with bold text, but you keep ignore the question and you focus on the zip files... The zip files are only an option, for rare cases, it is not a must! <br /> <br />QUESTION: <b> Why someone wants to upload so many works in daily basis??? </b> <br /> <br />Do we have any race taking place [who will upload more in one day] and we don&acute;t know it? <br />