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<b> I have to make things clear for those who don’t understand what is going on here. </b> <br />2-3 members of Skinbase, they wanted &quot;improvements&quot; of the &quot;featured skins system&quot;. <br />And why is that? Because they didn&acute;t see their work featured for some time now, <br />They get upset and started the drama. Saying things like: <br /> <br /><b>mountainhawk: </b> &quot;...The current trend shows that those who whinge the loudest, who absent themselves from the site for extended periods and contribute little to the site are more likely to be featured. I see it as insulting to those artist that contribute and support the site daily with regularity.&quot; <br /><b> First insult from mountainhawk: wrong feature works choices because the Admin didn’t choose their works to be featured. mountainhawk &quot;see it as insulting&quot;. </b> <br /> <br /> <br /><b>fjnunes712: </b> &quot;The feature selection process is inconsistent here at best.&quot; <br />“…are complete fairness and consistency being practiced here on an ongoing basis?” <br /><b> fjnunes712 doubts if the Admin is consistent and fair and he accuse the Administrator for inconsistent “feature works” choices. </b> <br /> <br /> <br /><b>mountainhawk: </b> “… the unspoken message been sent that if you stay away and do not participate or if you jump up and down and stamp your feet you get featured” <br /><b> another insult by mountainhawk for the Administrator. </b> <br /> <br /> <br /><b>fjnunes712: </b> “It’s a bad practice for one person to select anything without input from others…” <br /><b> fjnunes712 means that Admin is a tasteless dictator. </b> <br /> <br /> <br /><b>mountainhawk: </b> “… expect proper recognition of those that participate. A feature cannot be made a feature just by saying it is” <br /><b> mountainhawk want recognition for his participation and the featured works, he says, are not good enough for been featured, are just wrong choices of the Admin. </b> <br /> <br /> <br /><b>mountainhawk: </b> “… You have clearly misread and misunderstood and conveniently ignored what has been said. When arrogance and stubbornness stops from moving forward… <br /><b> mountainhawk says that the Admin can’t read nor understand and he is arrogant and stubborn! </b> <br /> <br /> <br />The rest accusations and insults can been seen in the current thread. <br /> <br />I should remind you, that my answers to all these were <b>only </b> the following: <br /> <br />1. Go on people “speak you mind” you have the right to do it, but this doesn’t mean that you are right. Only the best works have been and will be featured. No exceptions, no politics, we are just trying to have in our Skinbase vitrine ONLY the best works, with fairness and respect to ALL the authors. Some people may think that their works are the best and deserve to be featured, but maybe they are wrong. <br /> <br />2. No matter what the choice is there will be always people who will disagree, that’s life. <br /> <br />3. (email was sent to fjnunes712): <br />Hello Fred, <br />You have the right to speak your mind, in a kind way as an adult. <br />Though, it is not acceptable to insult any Admin or Moderator of Skinbase. <br />I feel sorry for this situation, but we don´t need more drama´s in SB. <br />There are no hard feelings on my end too. <br />Nikos <br /> <br />The thread will be closed now, we had enough of drama. <br />

Dear Jacob, <br />I decided not to participate in this discussion because I can&acute;t cope with situations like this very well, and having to look after myself after what I have often experienced before, I would like this to be accepted. If you want to call this an insult to human intelligence, I can&acute;t stop you from doing so. <br />Saying that I wouldn&acute;t have started the whole discussion the way it has been done does not necessarily mean that I would have done it any better. I never claimed to be that wise. But the feature thing has not such a big importance for me, and way a few people at Skinbase know how uncomfortable I felt with being featured so often. <br />I will be just fine as long as my images get downloaded and I get a few comments, no matter if positive or critical ones. <br /> <br /> <br />Dear Iain, <br />your reply leaves me believing that you either haven&acute;t read my post thoroughly enough, or I wasn&acute;t able to express myself good enough to be understood. But regardless of what it was, your post made it clear that you are still convinced that Nikos is the only one who has to overthink his behaviour. <br />And I make it clear that I don&acute;t agree with that. Fair enough....I didn&acute;t expect anything when I posted....I only wanted to feel better myself, selfish as I am. <br />But what I was actually talking about, was the choice of words that had been used.....mainly in the thread that has been deleted. <br /> <br /> <br /> <br />This will be all from me. <br />Have a good day or night, whereever you are. ❤️

Iain, I won&acute;t accept that. There is always the way of reason. It&acute;s the only way. And it needs to be openly discussed. Not &quot;I disagree&quot; and no elaboration next to it. Not deleting of threads. Not saying &quot;I am insulted&quot; and demote members. That reeks of dictatorship. That won&acute;t help anyone. What is at stake here is for the benefit and the diversity of this site. This needs to be in the open like journalism keeps politicians in check. I think it is up to the staff now to think things over and come up with some good options and actions. The least they can do is inform members and inform with reasons why. I think they will.

Jacob.....I think it is a waste of time now. I do not believe Nikos will undo what he has done. Contrary to what Avy said I do not believe for a second that Nikos was cornered. He always had the upper hand. He also had the only weaponry. In the end he gunned down three unarmed people who had no means of retaliating in kind. He could never lose and knew that and I knew that. I thought he would duscuss things....Instead he got defensive and went into bat on the wrong foot and that is where it unravelled. As I say...he will not turn back the clock...the damage is done and it is pointless now in my view. He has erased opposition to his way. Thank you for trying Jacob. :congrats

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I agree with you Avy, good point. I don&acute;t like it either, impartiality is a great virtue. The difficulty is with staff that just that virtue is replaced by dubious ones. If members start to speak out, you can either reason it out or boldly block people from speaking out and even ban them. These threads have actually resulted into the latter without even trying to reason it out. <br />Generally Nikos does a great job, but even he has to reflect on his behaviour(and use his poweradministration skills wisely), and if necessary change his ways. He is not right all the time, neither is anyone else. When I was a staffmember for a short time, I asked not to be featured just for reasons of colliding interests. It was not honoured though. Just one of those fatcs :( <br />Now with submitting freely, yes, this is one of those great sites where it is still possible. Everybody is welcome, but within the staff people talk about work submitted sometimes as crap. Now that is in the eye of the beholder isn&acute;t it? I am of the opinion that one always tries his best, and that the best artists sometimes don&acute;t because they are so gifted. I find that sad. <br />So, when these threads appear, there is a need for concrete discussion. People genuinely think something can be done better and more wisely. What is wrong with that? I read even you are unhappy how features are done. I suggest to have that discussion, and put the pro&acute;s and cons out in the open on this thread, rather than to say &quot;not agreeing&quot; and that&acute;s it. I find that an insult to human intelligence. <br />

I agree with you Avy, good point. I don&acute;t like it either, impartiality is a great virtue. The difficulty is with staff that just that virtue is replaced by dubious ones. If members start to speak out, you can either reason it out or boldly block people from speaking out and even ban them. These threads have actually resulted into the latter without even trying to reason it out. <br />Generally Nikos does a great job, but even he has to reflect on his behaviour(and use his poweradministration skills wisely), and if necessary change his ways. He is not right all the time, neither is anyone else. When I was a staffmember for a short time, I asked not to be featured just for reasons of colliding interests. It was not honoured though. Just one of those fatcs :( <br />Now with submitting freely, yes, this is one of those great sites where it is still possible. Everybody is welcome, but within the staff people talk about work submitted sometimes as crap. Now that is in the eye of the beholder isn&acute;t it? I am of the opinion that one always tries his best, and that the best artists sometimes don&acute;t because they are so gifted. I find that sad. <br />So, when these threads appear, there is a need for concrete discussion. People genuinely think something can be done better and more wisely. What is wrong with that? I read even you are unhappy how features are done. I suggest to have that discussion, and put the pro&acute;s and cons out in the open on this thread, rather than to say &quot;not agreeing&quot; and that&acute;s it. I find that an insult to human intelligence. <br />

As far as I am concerned Avy the matter is closed. I feel neither guilt nor shame for my actions. RET(Rational Emotive Therapy) tells us that three things occur in transactions. There is an actuating circumstance, followed by a behavioural response followed by a consequence. Someones response here has been totally over the top and uncalled for purely because they cannot own their own behaviour. Where I have been wrong here I am only to happy to acknowledge it and make amends. If someone does not like the things I have said then maybe they need to look at their behaviour that caused that response. I am sad at the outcome here too. We came here looking to improve the featured wallpaper choice and whilst it may not be our site I see no harm in what we asked for. We did not jump to conclusions nor did we misread nor selectively ignore statements made. Nor did we come here inflexible with no thought of compromise. The response has been damaging to say the least....and as I said....I feel neither guilt nor shame. I will simply withdraw and end my participation with this site as will others I am sure.I do not believe anyone was forced into a corner here...behaviour and response is a choice. Choices made here have not been good for the individual nor for the site as a whole. I am not proud of the outcome at all. Nor proud of what the administration has seen fit to do either.

@ all : <br /> <br /> <br /> <br />Lakota Instructions for Living <br /> <br />Friend do it this way - that is, <br />whatever you do in life, <br />do the very best you can <br />with both your heart and mind. <br /> <br />And if you do it that way, <br />the Power Of The Universe <br />will come to your assistance, <br />if your heart and mind are in Unity. <br /> <br />When one sits in the Hoop Of The People, <br />one must be responsible because <br />All of Creation is related. <br />And the hurt of one is the hurt of all. <br />And the honor of one is the honor of all. <br />And whatever we do effects everything in the universe. <br /> <br />If you do it that way - that is, <br />if you truly join your heart and mind <br />as One - whatever you ask for, <br />that&acute;s the Way It&acute;s Going To Be. <br /> <br /> <br />Sorry to say this, but I don&acute;t like the way this discussion is being held. I think everyone should think about his own behaviour before acting just like the one he wants to blame. And please don&acute;t get me wrong.............it is not <br />W H A T you ask for here......it is H O W it is done. <br />I neither like the way features are chosen here, but I would&acute;n even dream of doing it like this if I wanted to change something about it. <br />I neither like Nikos behaviour here, but it wasn&acute;t him who started to throw around the heavy stuff first. What would a tiger do.........being forced into one corner ? <br /> <br />Words ........can be beneficial, comforting and helpful, <br />but they can be just as devastating when chosen wrong. <br /> <br /> <br />And even if you will start barking at me now: <br />We as the members should honestly think about why we are submitting our works here. We all do that by our own free will, nobody forces us to do so. But does the fact that we continiously support the site gives us the right to act like we own it? <br /> <br />I feel very stressed and sad about this, and it kept me awake, that&acute;s why I wanted to have it out of my mind and soul. It is not to be seen as judging over you but my honest opinion. <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br />

I&acute;ll make it easy for you Nikos...I will just stop participating.......the problem will still remain though. Enjoy yourself and stand proud of your actions here. I am out of here......and no I will not be deleting my gallery. I am not going to take actions similar to yours. See you later! :congrats 😎 ;) :aw :aw :aw :aw ☕

Drama? Who pulled the stars! Who shut the threads and cleared the chatboard! Discussion is all we asked for. Discussion of change. If their is no bad feelings then why cause this drama. It is not coming from me.How can I insult when all I am doing is honestly appraising your behaviour? Make it a clean sweep and take all my stars Nikos!

Deaf ears can&acute;t hear 😂 Let alone read 😁

You are always creating dramas mountainhawk... <br />If what you have just said is not an insult then what an insult is? <br /> <br />

No insult was made to any admin on that thread that I saw. All that was said was describing your behaviour and questioning it. It seems we can say what we like as long as it is not truthful and honest, as long as we do not mention in an honest fashion what someones behaviour reflects. If you do not like the responses Nikos then simply change your behaviour. All we were asking for was for the featured wallpaper to be better managed. You immediately became unecessarily defensive and dominating and wrongly stated we thought our own art was better and that we were mistaken. The insulting behaviour was coming initially from you through your unacceptable behaviourand inappropriate responses to a simple request. Take all my stars Nikos if it makes you happy.I f you disliked the resp[onse you got on that thread you always had the option to change your behaviour. Instead we get this childish response of star pulling and thread pulling. And you say you want no drama?

I find the response of taking status down to be a pretty petty piece of behaviour and not the act expected nor consistent with mature behaviour. If anything causes drama it is acts such as this.I had thought the person to be made of sterner stuff.The harm done is greater for the person who decided to reduce status and not for the person who lost it. Like Fred said it means little to me....I am still the same person I was yesterday when I had three stars.Great way to push people away from the site though.

what exactly do the stars represent?

Thanks Snowman. I really don&acute;t care to get my status back... really. This has nothing to do with you. Thanks again.

The e-mail did not answer my statement above. Never mind Nikos.

I have answered your email Fred, I don&acute;t know why you didn&acute;t got it. <br /> <br />I was saying in that email: <br /> <br />Hello Fred, <br />You have the right to speak your mind, in a kind way as an adult. <br />Though, it is not acceptable to insult any Admin or Moderator of Skinbase. <br />I feel sorry for this situation, but we don&acute;t need more drama&acute;s in SB. <br />There are no hard feelings on my end too. <br />Nikos <br />

Heya people. <br /> <br />I&acute;m not at all happy about that thread getting deleted, and I don&acute;t know who did it either but I&acute;m determant to get to the bottom of this. <br />Deleting threads just like that and without a proper explanation simple cannot be right - nor just to <b>any</b> user. <br />I therefore urge any staffmember reading this to go to the adminboard and read my post about this there!! <br /> <br />fjunes712 if your &quot;status&quot; has been lowered for the wrong reasons your previous status will be re-instated promptly. <br /> <br />:snow

I was not going to post here at all. But since the PM system does not work - I can only talk to Jan this way. Apparently in an international site like this, some of us seem to take things as insults. That feature post was geared around a situation - and not a person. I come from a land that encourages opinions and change. Its who I am. Whats embraced by some is punished by others. In my comments on that post, I thought I was talking to a situation - and not an individual. Perhaps thats why its been deleted. It still does not make it right. <br /> <br />My membership status has been taken down here to one star, which really does not mean much to me. But I&acute;d like to know why this has happened. If I insulted a staff member here - they owe it to me to tell me what was said. I think we have a clear difference of what an insult is. I tried e-mailking Nikos and have received a failure message in return. So, this is my only available avenue of communication. <br /> <br />

I agree Jacob...we got the answer. I am very disappointed. It has totally destroyed the featured wallpaper status. I will just upload walls and that is it.