Farewell

&quot;It isn´t about bashing on admins from other sites, it´s about freedom of expression, which is something that Skinbase allows people to do, unlike certain &quot;other&quot; sites.... <br />&quot; <br /> <br />What he said :,

I&acute;m only going to say one thing, since this seems to be an on going saga.... <br /> <br />I&acute;ll just quote a post that was deleted and got me exiled at WC <br /> <br />&quot;You really don&acute;t want me to post all those emails, Do you??? <br /> <br />So what more do you people want from her... After all, as she stated above... Chichi has left the building...

&quot;I also really despise people equating the actions of one individual with an entire site or company.&quot; <br /> <br />Hmmm...

CutTheRedWire: Ever heard of a thing they call &quot;enabler&quot;? <br /> <br />Who wants to participate on a forum where personal attacks are not only accepted but those who are the target of them are expected to be &quot;understanding&quot; towards those who repeatedly make them? I don&acute;t tend to respond on the forum here unless I am personally attacked. Go figure. I&acute;m just weird that way I guess. <br /> <br />Jim is right though, we would never tolerate ChiChi&acute;s kind of behavior on WinCustomize. We don&acute;t allow personal attacks. And I&acute;m okay with that.

Thank you, Adni, for your understanding and honorable approach to this matter.

KarmaGirl: Ever hear of a thing call _karama_? The woman has enough problems. You never know what a person is going though. A little kindness goes a long way. You can deffend without insulting, and even while well wishing. Agression will only lead to more disputes. <br /> <br />ChiChiGirl: I think what you need is break. Pure and simple. Maybe a warm welcome too when you come back. You got a lot of stress right now, and I think things around here have been adding to it. <br /> <br />I have to admit, I often see FrogBoy arround when chichi is around, but seldom anywhere else. Maybe he doesn&acute;t do it on purpose (I&acute;m not sure what to make of it), but it is a noticalbe trend.

We got your point KarmaGirl. <br />The case is over, everything has been told many times and everybody has understood. <br />The bottom line is that as SkinBase, we love Frogboy and we thank him for his support in general. We also love chichigirl for her presence and kindness that she has show, during all those years in SkinBase. <br />The sure thing is that in the future we will try not to allow personal attacks, now that we know more about those cases. <br />

Adni, I have never been &quot;bitter with skinbase&quot;. I am bitter with all people who think that it is OK to run to a different board and air dirty laundry from someplace else. <br /> <br />I also really despise people equating the actions of one individual with an entire site or company. Would it be fair to say that &quot;adni18&quot; is a jerk because &quot;skinbase&quot; didn&acute;t see my view? NO! It would not! But that is *exactly* what people do to Frogboy all the time. &quot;we just thought that he is very strong and he doesn´t need any support&quot; He&acute;s a person, too. He&acute;s a husband, a father, and a great friend to many. (As I am sure that ChiChi has the same traits) so why should one person get special treatment over another? Should he just be hardened to this type of action because he&acute;s in the &quot;eye&quot; all the time? I&acute;m amazed that he even is still active in the skinning scene. How easy would it be for him just to quit posting or writing articles that get &quot;skinning&quot; noticed? he is the CEO of a corporation. He does have real business matters to deal with. But, instead, he spends a bunch of his personal time responding to people (like he did with ChiChi). how many CEOs even respond to their email from &quot;consumers&quot;? Has ChiChi mentioned how many email he&acute;s responded to from her? I can tell you how many *I* have personally responded to (over 20) and I know that Brad had at least double that. <br /> <br />&quot;It isn´t about bashing on admins from other sites, it´s about freedom of expression, which is something that Skinbase allows people to do, unlike certain &quot;other&quot; sites.... &quot; <br /> <br />So, how would you like it if I ran over to Deviantart and started saying &quot;Skinbase sucks! All their admins suck! I&acute;m leaving and taking my ball with me!&quot; Of course, I will now give no reasons. Just bash on somebody/someplace to flame them. Great &quot;freedom of expression&quot;. Or, is it only &quot;freedom of expression&quot; if you are not the person that is being flamed? How would you like to go on sites and be ridiculed by people for no reason? People who don&acute;t even know you? It&acute;s easy to slam on somebody that you never met, right? (And that is a statement in general). I see this &quot;skinning community&quot; repeatedly do that. Yes, WC doesn&acute;t allow this type of &quot;expression&quot;. Why? Because who wants to participate on a board that is filled with people that think it&acute;s OK to bash on other people? Would you hang out with a group of &quot;friends&quot; who constantly talked behind each other&acute;s backs? I know I wouldn&acute;t. So, why is it OK to treat people like this online? Why does *anyone* deserve that? <br /> <br />This has nothing to do with &quot;which skin site is better&quot;. This is simply about how people are treating each other online. If the kind of &quot;freedom of expression&quot; that you want is watching people slam on each other, then I really wonder what this world is coming to. And, to the admins on this site, all you have to do is step in and say &quot;no personal attacks&quot;. I think it&acute;s just a common courtesy for *all* people who post, no matter who they are.

I step thowards a useless debate and this thread will get close pretty quick, i&acute;m all for debate but keep it clean guys. Freedom of speach yes, but all in good taste.

uh-oh. . . i smell a not so nice debate brewing. . . .

Good Luck in all you do Chichi.......... ❤️ :sangria 😢 :)

It isn&acute;t about bashing on admins from other sites, it&acute;s about freedom of expression, which is something that Skinbase allows people to do, unlike certain &quot;other&quot; sites....

KarmaGirl, <br /> <br />I agree with you about Brad/Frogboy that his is a very generous and honest person and not only! <br />His is strong, very creative and most off all very clever! I respect him very much as a personality and main member of skinning community. <br /> <br />It was our mistake that trying to support our very active member chichi, who has been so good with everyone in Skinbase, we forgot to support Frogboy too, we just thought that he is very strong and he doesn&acute;t need any support, but I guess we have been wrong. <br /> <br />We are all humans after all, no supermen among us. <br /> <br />No KarmaGirl, we don&acute;t ban people from Skinbase, you are very welcome, even if you have been bitter with SkinBase. <br />

I really wish that people would quit personally attacking Brad/Frogboy. I have known him personally for over 10 years and have worked for him for over 8 1/2. He is one of the most generous and honest people I know. <br /> <br />I have never seen him use you as a *tool* for his entertainment. If you think he has, then you need to get your head checked. <br /> <br />I am also appalled that the admins on this site allow people to bash on admins of another site. WC tries very hard to step in and say &quot;no personal attacks&quot;. I guess it&acute;s OK to bash admins of other sites but not &quot;community members&quot;? nice double standard there. <br /> <br />I&acute;ll stick up for Frogboy until I&acute;m blue in the face. It comes from loyalty of knowing him on a personal level. If you can&acute;t see the good that he does for *many* people, then you&acute;re just blind. It just amazes me how people portray him. <br /> <br />And, no, I don&acute;t care if you ban me from this site. This whole &quot;community&quot; has really gone down the drain. <br /> <br />Angela Marshall <br />*not* posted as an employee of Stardock nor as and Admin of WC, but as the real person that I am.

yes def listen to adni & lecrayon... <br /> <br />your decision to make but if you truely love skinning as your hobby don&acute;t let other ppl take that away from you chichi all that will happen is you&acute;ll lose something you enjoy anddddd you also give the ppl that upset you the satisfaction of being able to say &quot;Good now she is finally gone&quot; <br /> <br />Don&acute;t do it if you like your hobby however if you are getting more stress out of it then fun, then well you prob need to take the break, just don&acute;t go too far your friends will miss you! ❤️

See ya around, Chichi. Take care. <br /> <br />Listen to adni & lecrayon.

Yeah, listen to our greek dentist. <br /> <br />Anyhow, so long and good luck.

I am with adni 8O Don&acute;t let 8|p make you do {:p

Take care and stay safe! <br /> <br />Cya &acute;round chichi :)

Hey chichi, <br />Knowing a little bit about you, I think that it is not the best decision you could make. <br /> <br />The skinning community is very large, why you have to focus on 5-10 people behavior on you? <br />Why don&acute;t you focus on the people that love you and the thousands you don&acute;t know, but they like your work and let the rest think what they want to think? <br /> <br />It is not a big deal chichi, if someone is using some of your bitmaps or ideas, instead of been angry you should be glad, that this pure man can&acute;t do something better and he is proud to say that those bitmaps and ideas belong to him. <br />Let it be! It is not a big deal, believe me, I have a lot of experience about these cases. <br /> <br />As about the particular behavior of a few people, which makes you feel bad, I have to share with you what someone that I respect very much from the skinning community told me once: <br /> <br /><b>&quot;some people will like you no matter what, others will NOT like you no matter what, most people will judge you by what you do and who you are <br />Do not worry about the first two groups as you cannot do anything about them. <br />Only be concerned about the third group and do the best that you can&quot;</b> <br /> <br />It is very helpful thought, think about it. <br /> <br />Life is sort, try to have fun as much as you can and never focus on what doesn&acute;t please you; you make it bigger than it should be. <br /> <br /> ❤️ <br />