Here you go... <BR>/me sticks fingers in ears, and closes eyes....;) <BR> <BR> <BR>Fernando, <BR> <BR>I thank you once more for your prompt actions in removing my work as requested. <BR> <BR>May I say again, that I can respect miriku´s decision to delete the submissions he considered to be advertising. I have little issue with that. It was simply his repugnant attitude and a blind inabillity to comprehend that he was abusive and insulting. When issue was taken with that, no apology was forth-coming, merely a statement that he is as subtle as a train wreck, or some-such analogy. <BR>I have been a skinner and themer as long as anyone, and longer than most, and respect fellow skinners and themers just a little more than Edgar is capable of [apparently]. <BR> <BR>I know he is unpaid as an admin, just as I am. <BR>I know he has strong opinions, just as I do. <BR> <BR>Please believe me when I say that it was a ´bad day in the life of Jafo´ when I felt compelled by the immature actions of one person who purported to be the ´voice of Customize.org´, to remove my work, including LiteSTEP themes which were publicly and admin-wise very highly rated, and standing proudly beside the likes of ´Thug Life´, [a classic of themes]. <BR> <BR>BTW....some ´all-knowing newbie´ at Custo said they had not even ´heard´ of Grimspoon.....Sad, that....when at Litestep.net Grimspoon was the second-highest downloaded themer.....with MASSIVE popularity. <BR> <BR>I know my stuff was always to put it politely ´a niche popularity´, but honestly, Renato, Johanne, Helder, and Jerry [Grimspoon] between them, are very, very influential members of this ´community´, and if you are unconcerned with their departure from Custo, and believe that nothing has/will change, you may be sadly mistaken. <BR> <BR>People/artists/skinners of their calibre is what makes the skinning scene popular and desirable, not the magnitude of a flame war posting on a message board. <BR> <BR>I would have loved dearly to have just seen Edgar respond...."Sorry about the wording, Renato, et al, but I could not accept the submissions". <BR>The whole load of crap would have ended right there. <BR> <BR>You cannot honestly stand there and defend Edgar´s rudeness and lack of tact. You cannot stand there and defend his refusal to apologize for a poor choice of words. <BR> <BR>If you think you can, and you believe he is totally ´right´ and has done NOTHING to be ashamed of, then understand clearly that that is why I am forced to leave. <BR> <BR>I was a skinner long before Edgar was in a position to abuse his authority, and I will still be a skinner long after he has moved on to clear-fell another community with a poor choice of words. <BR> <BR>You may call him ´cool´. I call him a ´prat´, and a poor choice of admin. <BR> <BR>I honestly am at a loss as to why some of you are compelled to support him blindly, no matter what. <BR>He, himself admits that he is only human.....just get the child to admit an error of judgement, and blame it on his humanity. <BR> <BR>Good luck with both yourself and Customize.org. I wish you both well. <BR> <BR>The last person who compelled me to remove my works from a site was a person called Sam Jain. It is food for thought. <BR> <BR>Take care <BR>Paul Martin <BR>JAFO <BR>[Admin at various sites but that´s irrelevant.] <BR> <BR>-----Original Message----- <BR>From: Fernando Gaglianese [mailto:mercy@drexel.edu] <BR>Sent: Friday, 7 December 2001 11:40 PM <BR>To: Paul Martin <BR>Subject: Re: My skins and themes on Customize.org. <BR> <BR> <BR>Your skins have been deleted per your request. We will not delete your account. I´m sorry that this issue has escalated to this point but I stand by Miriku´s actions on this issue. I can live with the consequences and I think petty argument on the message board will do nothing but ridicule both sides. I ask that you don´t add more wood the fire as from where I sit it´s dead of summer. <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR>Best of luck on your future <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR>Mercy <BR> <BR>An it harm none, do what thou wilt <BR> <BR>On Thursday, December 6, 2001, at 11:31 PM, Paul Martin wrote: <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR>To the Admins <BR> <BR>Customize.org <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR>Third time lucky, then. <BR> <BR>User name....Jafo <BR> <BR>Email... martinp@smart.net.au <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR>Although I have been a long-time member of this site, since sometime in 1998 <BR> <BR>[I think]...firstly under the name ´Paul Martin´ and later as ´Jafo´, recent <BR> <BR>actions by a certain admin of this site has been the last straw in a litany <BR> <BR>of failings. <BR> <BR>I find I can no longer endure or ignore the childish/unthinking actions of <BR> <BR>some and believe I cannot feel comfortable contributing to this site any <BR> <BR>further. <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR>I put up with childish assinine comments by ignorant buffoons. <BR> <BR>I´d hoped the ´nostalgia´ for the old site would see me through. <BR> <BR>I thought eventually that I might even regain LEGAL control of my uploads by <BR> <BR>being capable of editing/deleting them myself....but still cannot. <BR> <BR>I thought that Admin in-fighting and publicly aired disagreements would <BR> <BR>cease....but no. <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR>I have work on this site dating back to at least April ´99 under ´Jafo´, but <BR> <BR>also one LiteSTEP theme under ´MartinP´. Sad that some of the ´STEP themes <BR> <BR>were well received. <BR> <BR>Also, there are two with (?) beside them...yes, they are mine as well. <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR>Please remove them all. <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR>To Pod, and AdamTT, I wish you well with the site. It will always have its <BR> <BR>place in skinning history. <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR>I´d appreciate it if I can retain my nick here as the thought of someone <BR> <BR>fraudulently mis-using it is distasteful. <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR>Thankyou, <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR>Paul Martin <BR> <BR>JAFO [Just Another Fucking Observer] <BR> <BR>Admin Wincustomize.com <BR> <BR>Admin Pixtudio.com [Yes, Alexandrie´s and Treetog´s own site] <BR> <BR>[Past short-lived Admin Skinz.org [version 1], thanks to eFront] <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR>Its Miriku´s fault, not mine <BR> <BR> <BR>