LieStep NEWS

LiteStep always was easy. That pick of Juice was a guaranteed winner. Imagine this, Reveal dates back to &acute;98, its successor Juice was soon announced, but never appeared. And I&acute;m still hoping... <BR> <BR>As for BlackBox, seems like it&acute;s dying already. If you&acute;ve followed the shell sites, you&acute;ve noticed the big flame that it started.

It was written from scratch it seems, so that would explain the credits thing. So it&acute;s not a port in the sense of change a couple of lines and recompile, more a from the ground up thing. <BR> <BR>According to this post: http://semprini.org/pipermail/bbwin32_semprini.org/2002-January/000057.html it will be dropped by the developer, but open sourced. My experience with shells going open-source is that they&acute;ll be essentially dead then (with a few exception ofcourse). <BR> <BR>Anyway, flames are always about ego.

One thing that bugs me though... <BR> <BR>Brad Hughes&acute; (the original BlackBox author) name doesn&acute;t appear anywhere in the credits. Brad didn&acute;t even use the GPL, he allows you to do anything with the source, (even proprietise it.) provided that you give credit. <BR> <BR>On the other hand, a lot of work must have gone in to the port. XWindows code is useless on Win32. But still.....

Thanks. <BR> <BR>I couldn&acute;t understand what sort of fuss could have errupted out of a BB port. (I read the docs and that interview thing before the war thread). I didn&acute;t have trouble with the -rtfm thing.. ;) <BR> <BR>I see now that it was more of a personality clash. Not something you can pickup just by looking at the program, which by the way, looks damn good. <BR> <BR>I really hope it doesn&acute;t die, I only found it yesturday...

Flame (read from the bottom upwards): http://shellfront.org/comment.php?id=494

Lie(?)Step ?? <BR>c&acute;mon, give us the truth, Spoon.

Crae, where can I find there BlackBox Win flames?

lol @ Doreen <BR> <BR>Oki.. I&acute;ve decided to set up 0.gra (Zero Gravity) page on Bkaro where I will show newbies how I put my themes together. We also need to set up a LiteStep resource page here on skinbase with relevant links and set of simple instalation and customization instructions. <BR>Now thats an easy part, unfortunately.. with my other commitements and time restraints, we need to have maybe few more people involved here. <BR> <BR>Oki, here is where I come short... <BR>Themer: I do not theme LS Distro packs and general default builds, so anyone with experience in that field would be welcomed to get involved. I think that would be a good point to start with the newbies. <BR>Scripter: Someone with a good knowledge of scripting and bang commands would be handy addition to the team, as undoubtedly.. there will be lot of questions relating to scripts. Actually, I hope that either Phar0e or Jafo get involved here over time. <BR>Coder: Someone with experience of coding LS or it&acute;s modules would also come in handy in the consulting role. <BR> <BR>Now this is not an LS development venture here, but you could call it a community service to promote shell customisation on skinbase. Most of the involvment will be on the msg board and workshops and I hope it generates interest, not just in LiteStep, but also in other shell replacements like GeoShell. <BR> <BR>Anyhow.. thats all the ideas I have, now I have ta get back to making those pages.. lots of things have changed since I last assembled a theme. <BR>But the future looks bright.. now where are my shades? <BR>8) <BR>

Hello Mr. Jingle Bells ;)

And back to Grim&acute;s original thread: I&acute;m dying waiting for that skinning mod. Then LS will be a truly self contained shell replacement. <BR>:)

Darn! I always miss the good Flame Wars. <BR>(Well, except for the ones I start, that is...) <BR>{:p

<BR>On a related note: I&acute;ve been playing with Blackbox for Windows (a new shell). <BR>Some EXCELLENT potential there, but - <BR>Trust me: Litestep seems SO easy all of a sudden... <BR> <BR>{:p

hmm.. and that is so true crae <BR> <BR>anyhow.. I&acute;m not dead.. it&acute;s just taking me ages to check out everything on offer in these LS grazing fields. <BR>OTS (open theme standard) is cool... but it is again only someone&acute;s preffered method. I&acute;m sure lotsa guys thought, &acute;hey, whats wrong with the way I do it?&acute; But I will be updating my themes, it&acute;s a good thing. <BR>8) <BR> <BR>

<b>/me</b> pokes a stick at the spoon to see if it&acute;s dead

/me bites the whole stick off in one bite while releasing the groan from hell that makes crae pee in his pants/ <BR> <BR>... you can poke anywhere but &acute;there&acute; crae! :evil <BR> <BR>BTW, new LS theme (that my grandmother is going to install to prove that anyone can do it) is coming along quite well. I have just aquired a multiple installer that will hopefully install the default theme and shell switcher (reboot) and then install the new theme without any further customization needed to use it just like you do your current Windows desktop. There is also expanded and advance edit modes but more on that later. <BR>Interesting part is that there will be a reference map overlay for instant navigation help and edit tutorial for the beginners as overlaying BMP&acute;s. So there is no need to chace up any tutorials on the NET. <BR>All this is being done to help the newbies and also to save me extra work with theme support after release.. and of course, I don&acute;t have to do any more HTML work. The whole LiteStep resource package will be included with this theme release and user will have a choice what configuration they would like to install. Phew.. now the concept is finished, lets see if we can make it work.

&acute;and user will have a choice what configuration they would like to install&acute; <BR> <BR>simply means, if they already have LS installed along with their preffered shell switcher.. then they just choose to install the new theme. If this works, I don&acute;t see a reason why other Open Theme Standard steppers wouldn&acute;t distribute their themes the same way. Just a thought.

Excellent concept, Jerry. <BR> <BR>On a side, but related note: Now that Litestep.net is down, it&acute;s important to remind themers out there that Skinbase is &quot;Litestep freindly&quot;... <BR> <BR>

Sounds good.

thanks Crae <BR> <BR>Phew, so many LiteStep resource sites down, oki.. I&acute;ve decided to keep a small journal of my current LS projects on my Bkaro page http://www.bkaro.net/me/grimspoon.html. .. Hmm, this has just re-inforced the need for some kinda user friendly LS resource page for skinbase. We need a good and free shell program with strong user support out there. <BR>

I&acute;m suffering from excessive &acute;doting&acute; 8) <BR> <BR>Try this link... http://www.bkaro.net/me/grimspoon.html

I&acute;m starting to get interested in LS again............ your ideas sound great Jerry ;)