The War Has Begun

Hob. I&acute;m a 28 year old business man, I own half of a 1.5 million$ company. I know what&acute;s happening in the world, I read about 3 canadian newspaper a day and i&acute;m connected to at least 3 other one from the u.s. I&acute;m sharing my opinion in good faith, I did not insult no one at all so I don&acute;t understand why your are coming out on me like this. <br /> <br />In 1990 when the first gulf war started I was a member of the political History group at school. Yes I was young then, but well aware of what was happening. Age is but a small factor in my opinion. and you are also right to think that I never lived any other war and so far. I never said nothing wrong about no one, and like I said in my first post. Maybe and probably that W. knows something that we don&acute;t about Saddam. I&acute;m sorry you feel this way about my opinion Hobnobber <br /> <br />

Probably hiding under the egg shell. :|

Brub there is no connection to iraq and 9/11 but Iraq has harbored and trained al-queda terrorists. Powell showed some of the evidence at the UN. Also since the war began the US military has engaged a few handlfulls of Al Queda Terrorists. <br /> <br />What did Saddam do to the US? Well first he invaded Quait which is a friend. Then broke the cease fire agreement between our countries numerious times over 12 years. Saddam attempted to assasinate a former US President, and holds occations like &quot;Death to America Day&quot; and Openly says he hates the US and will get even.

Well I hate Zimbabwe and I don&acute;t see any guerillas at my door :) <br /> <br />My point is, why not go after someone like North Korea that openly says &quot;We have da bomb&quot; which are in my own opinion a bigger threath to the U.S. than a small time gun sligning arab boy from a small country. <br /> <br />In my own opinion this war is founded on alot of small thing that will probably make sense to me at some point for now I think it&acute;s useless. too bad for the young soldiers over there getting killed because of it. <br /> <br />I&acute;m happy that Canada stayed out of it. Montreal is the biggest peace city in North America. On the 15 of March, 230k people gather in the street for peace. On the 22nd 200k where in the rain marching for peace. And we are only 2 millions in hte city. Toronto, the biggest city in Canada had 14,000 peoples. New-York 200k only. It really shows that Montreal is more French than English and i&acute;m proud of that. <br /> <br />In reality I should not even voice my opinion because it&acute;s not my brother or my son or my father going to war and getting killed by helos accidents. Call that coward, I call it smart. <br /> <br />BUT..... <br /> <br />Before the flaming starts, I&acute;m not anti-american, not anti-nothing I just don&acute;t believe in war. war is the subject here not whoi&acute;s who.

I don&acute;t want to see a flame war here either. I think a guy like Saddam Hussein is much more threatening than a Zimbabwe gureilla though. As you can probably tell im for this military action. I agree N.Korea will need to be delt with, but I don&acute;t think we should ingore one situation to deal with another. Plus Iraq had over a decade to quite simply, get rid of its WMD, and be left alone without another word. I don&acute;t think the anyone was unfair by &quot;not allowing enough time.&quot; But the situation is being delt with now and in the long term I feel Iraq will be much better off than by continuing to be under the rule of Saddam Hussein. Iraq could have huge potential and may even become an economic powerhouse much like Japan is. A one time enemy that became a huge ally and friend of the free world.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/851991/posts <br /> <br />I think this is a really good article that should put some things into perspective for a lot of people.

Brub, <br /> <br />Your young and your reviews and comments above reflect that. I would suggest you learn <br />a lot more of what is going on outside your country. When things started in Iraq you were <br />probably about 15 years old and really never new anything about Kuwait, and rightly so. <br />But if you are posting here to find out what is going on in the world.. shame on you... <br /> <br />I have traveled to Montreal many, many times and I am well aware of the French influence <br />in your part of the world. I’m certainly glad to hear that you are proud of that heritage and <br />well you should be. But..... at this point in time, if I were you, I’d be reading more <br />newspapers from Toronto, if you catch my drift.... Peace to you and all the Baseheads...

hi guys: <br /> <br />really i enjoyed reading your comments about the war <br />i&acute;ve notice that not even one comment coming from a member from any arabian countries so, i would be happy to join your discussion and give you idea about the other side of the conflict which is arabian community <br /> <br />in my opinion war never and will never be a solution of any problem all that you will get from war (of course i am talking to american ppl) more hates more Jehad&acute;s if you are familiat with the word... <br /> <br />i think somebody was talking about N.Korean and how you gonna deal with, for what reason and who give you the authority to punish or start a war against other counteries which have whatever kind of weapons? and if so why you did not punish Israil for haveing such kind of weapons? <br /> <br />if you think that your troops fighting for good reason why your troops killing civillians? and even it&acute;s by mistakes what do you excpect from the arabian community to watch childerens and women killed by the American military and say thank you very much Mr. Bush for the great help you&acute;ve done for Iraqi ppl <br /> <br />what is the aim of this war? what are you ppl after i dont think Sadam Hussin is the only problem, i hate Sadam just like all of you and most of the ppl in arabian communities hate him but is it a good reason to strat a war and killing thousands of civilians? <br /> <br />did you ever ask yourself why this is happened in 11th Sep? why those ppl hate the U.S.A? and why U.S.A not anyother country..... <br /> <br />this War is asham on U.S.A and all american ppl who are supporting George.W.Bush ( i think he is insane more than anybody else in the world) <br /> <br />

Did you click the link I posted above mkhari? Its a write up from an Iraqi citizen. <br /> <br />Now to my bit. <br /> <br />Do you really think in a second that this is a war against Islam or Arabs? Or even for oil. The US gets most of its oil from Alaska and Argentina. And in all honesty we don&acute;t really need it from Iraq. We get no oil from there and for good reason, France and Russia on the other hand get lots from there.Trust me we have better things to spend billions and billions of dollars on. Hell each missile we send into Baghdad costs us a million a pop. The men and women of the US armed forces are fighting, sacraficing, and giving their lives to free the people of Iraq from a tyranical dictator as well as protecting the lives of many around the world from that same leader who would kill anyone who opposes him if he had the chance. I can think of no more noble cause than what our troops are doing over there. Yes some civilians have been killed and probably more will, but dispite every attempt by saddam hussein to put civilians in harms way to prevent the US from attacking important targets (tanks in hospitals, explosives in schools, human shields in command & controll facilities) I think we&acute;ve done an amazing job minimizing harm to these people. But don&acute;t forget how many civilians die at the hands of saddam hussein when we are not attacking. How come there were no protests against saddam torturing and murdering families of defectors, or using chemical weppons on entire towns. Where were your objections then? Or is it ok for saddam to kill his people but bad for the US to liberate them?

of course this war is about oil. the US get most of their oil from Alaska and Argentina? others claim they get most from Venezuela, but that´s not the point. it´s about controlling the oil resources of this region, because other nations (especially Asian nations) get their oil from there. <br />this is not a conspiracy theory. it´s not even secret. there is no need to read between the lines to find out what the leaders of your county are up to: http://www.newamericancentury.org/ <br />this region is not considered important because of the huge amount of camels there. <br /> <br />i agree with you that until now there have not been much slaughter of Iraqi civilians yet. but for how long will that last? it just does not work the way the US wanted. the regular Iraqi army is not surrendering, the people of Iraq do not welcome their &quot;liberators&quot;. there are reports that more people enter Iraq to fight the aggressors than refugees. <br /> <br />do you really think the US dare to do streetfighting in an intact city as Baghdad? no way, they sent the British to Basra, didn´t they? before that will happen they will destroy Baghdad and that will result in a huge amount of &quot;collateral damage&quot;. think of WW2. the Russians had to do the streetfighting in a completely destroyed Berlin. they lost 120 000 soldiers. <br /> <br />&quot;what do you excpect from the arabian community to watch childerens and women killed by the American military and say thank you very much Mr. Bush for the great help you´ve done for Iraqi ppl &quot; <br />i could not agree more, but that is something American Ignorance will never understand. <br /> <br />waiting for the war on Syria, Iran and Yemen. on your tv screen soon.

Red, Sodamn Insane declared Jihad on the US just this morning.... again... <br />Can&acute;t really blame him though... Wouldn&acute;t you kinda wanna get back at those how attack your country?! <br /> <br /><b>NOTE: the first sign of any mud-slinging/name-calling/threats of any kind in this thread and it&acute;s closed faster than you can count to 1.523.658.569.....</b> <br /> <br />Anyways, make skins not war!

It was not an attack on you Brub... But the way you came across in your previous post. <br />“What did Saddam Hussain do to the USA?” Here are some of my thoughts... <br /> <br />Well lets put that into prospective, keeping in mind that the USA has deep pockets and <br />MOST countries, NOT ALL countries, around the world WANT foreign aid from those <br />pockets and look to the USA for help. That help can come in many different ways. These <br />Countries include the poorest nations in the world, to a nation such as Canada Our two <br />countries work hand in hand with each other (most of the time) and our economies are <br />intertwined. All you have to do is look at the automotive industry as an example. <br /> <br />Now lets see what has been going on in Iraq over the past 30 years since Saddam Hussain <br />came into power in Iraq. One of the first things on his agenda was to strengthen his Guard <br />units with purchases from the USSR. Then he goes to France for nuclear help. We all <br />know that France had a big hand in Iraqs’ quest for nuclear power. Now he shows his true <br />colors to the world when he attacks Iran and fights a war using WMD for eight years... <br />Meanwhile the people of Iraq are suffering. They see where the profits on Iraqi oil are <br />going... Not to help the general population of Iraq, but to build his palaces and strengthen <br />his military. When he finds himself in somewhat of a financial bind, He looks to Kuwait <br />for a bail-out... We all know what happened there!! <br /> <br />Now after he was thrown out of Kuwait by Coalition Forces, he was told to get rid of his <br />weapons of mass destruction and to immediately stop all retaliation against the Iraqi <br />population that favored the Coalition. TWELVE years later the United Nations are still <br />ASKING him to get rid of his weapons of mass destruction. If he had any intentions of <br />disarming himself of these weapons, it would have been done in the first six months.... <br /> <br />As far as the oil is concerned... The USA is a democracy... US firms and/or Corporations, <br />such as Shell Oil Company, have a legitimate right to buy and I stress BUY, oil from ANY <br />source they choose. We as a people, for any reason, have the right to boycott those oil <br />companies as was shown on the net recently. This company and That company get their <br />oil from so and so Don’t patronize these gas stations. Hogwash... I use Shell products in <br />all of my vehicles because this IS a democracy and that is MY choice.... <br /> <br />I don’t like the idea of having to go to war against any Country.... But when that country <br />condones the use of WMD and harbors the likes of al queda, while suppressing the needs <br />of its own people, it leaves little question that something must be done....

Moshi i do think its all a bunch of conspiracy theory. The US has some of the cheapest gas in the world, we have more than we need. American&acute;s drive humvees that get only 9 miles to the gallon because they can. If we wanted oil all we&acute;d have to do is press on about the high ranking officals in Saudi Arabia sponsoring al-queda and invade them. They have more oil than iraq, and much more developed facilities. If iraq doubled their oil output they&acute;d still be a class B oil nation and still way below the Saudi&acute;s. <br /> <br />I&acute;m guessing you didn&acute;t hear the reports of the Iraqi woman who was waving at the us troops as they entered only to be hanged by saddam&acute;s terrorist faction. Or the Iraqi POW&acute;s that the us freed only to return home to be forced back onto the battle field because under the threat that he and his family would be killed. Or how about the Iraqi&acute;s dressing up as american troops accepting the surrender of fellow Iraqi solders only to kill them for disloyality. <br /> <br />Or do you ingore all these reports? Or is your anti-war slanted European press simply only reporting one side of the story?

&quot;<i>anti-war slanted European press</i>&quot; <br />dunno where you got that bit of info from travelian but I can tell you that none of the news (from DK/UK) I have heard so far are anywhere near anti-war-like, but I guess that&acute;s all you&acute;re told in the pro-war filled US news.... <br /> <br />And yes, I am totally against this war, not because it&acute;s against Iraq or because it&acute;s was started by the US (even though many think that&acute;s why Im against it) just because I am against any kind of war. <br />War is not the solution to get peace - it&acute;s the cause for more violance! <br /> <br />It seems that the cause for these military actions in Iraq changes all the time... first it was started because of the so called WMDs that Iraq was supposed to have loads of but no one have been able to find so far and the tyrany of Sodamn Insane.... <br />But since no one have been able to find any hard proof of their WMDs the cause changed to &quot;Remove mr. Isane from the face of the Earth&quot; <br />(Yeah I know.. Mr. Powell flashed some really neat photos on his press meating, but not really any proof of anything imho) <br />But what if the war goes on for ages, which it is most likely to do?! <br />Will the killing/bombing just keep on?! <br />What if the totally destroy every single building in Bagdad and still no sign of Saddam? <br />Then what? Move on to trash the next city? <br /> <br />The only thing the UK/US troops have accomplished some far is to get semi-control over a couple of cities and kill alot of their own folks.... <br /> <br />So... could I suggest a better solution?! <br />Nah, not really because I really can&acute;t see any problems to solve actually! <br />Ok so what if Saddam is an ass towards his own people. If this is reason enough to smash half a country to pieces I really can&acute;t understand why no one haven&acute;t taken action against China and Mozambiq(spell?!) already..... <br /> <br />Over and out!

/me plays jafo <br /> <br />Mozambique <br /> <br />Oh, and China&acute;s got nukes, while no-one cares for Mozambique or any other part of Africa (except when we see pictures of kids starving).

compare CNN and european press. we get the same news that you do, but we get even more. if you understand a little German than look here: http://www.tagesschau.de else check the BBC from time to time http://www.bbc.co.uk there´s quite a lot of news that never makes it to the US. <br /> <br />also it´s naive to think that the US will become friends of the Iraqis. only in American black/white-good/evil thinking the enemy of the enemy becomes a friend. as much as they hate Saddam, they will still not love the Americans. <br />this article on the BBC is interesting, you will never find it in American news i guess (they prefer &quot;patriotism&quot; over journalism): http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/2902527.stm <br /> <br />it has already been proved how wrong this thinking is. Osama was your friend for a long time when he fought the Russians. (he must have laughed a lot when you sent him your money and weapons.)

BBC is highly slanted and i do check them out from time to time. You&acute;d almost think, by their reporting, the Iraqi&acute;s were winning the war and that saddam is a great human rights figure who&acute;s the victim of some american/brittish conspiracy.

the BBC is one of the most respected TV channels worldwide (if not THE most respected). they are not &quot;highly slanted&quot;, they are objective.

Thanks for opening this thread gRAVE, I really appreciate it... I am very interested in <br />knowing the European, Australian and United Kingdom views as well as those in the States. <br />Not from newspapers or TV news, but from individuals just like me. I’m not <br />looking for a flame just individual OPINIONS Hopefully everyone will come out with a <br />better understanding. Thanks again :) <br /> <br />

Why don&acute;t someone shoot Sodamn Insane & Bin Laden (is that his name?) & get it done? Maybe, things will be easier & livable. :|

There&acute;s no turning back now. I just hope this doesn&acute;&acute;t start a jehad (sp?).

Well,. I doubt anyone can say something that makes a lot of sense here that hasnt been said before (except for posting &acute;facts&acute; from the media of course). So I refrain from participating from here now on :-) <br /> <br />UPDATED: I was wrong with my doubt that anyone could say something that made a lot of sense, gRAVE here below me made a lot of sense. <br /> <br />An indication on how scared (maybe, is that it?) people are can be seen at the amount of traffic one specific page on my website got in the last 3 weeks. The page in question contains a small, funny meant, tutorial titled “The ten step guide to building your own atom bomb”. In the last 3 weeks that page got over 15.000 page views, a huge number compared to the (approximately) 2.500 it got in the 3 months before… 2.000 of those 15.000 page views where in the last 2 days. <br /> <br />Link: <br />http://www.x21b.com/view.php?guide=1037057396 <br />

I hope it will help iraqy people at least, to get decent goverment, democracy and better live conditions. <br /> <br />And I&acute;ve also hope USA didnt attack them only, because they need to test new war equipment. <br /> <br />Thats my opinion

As a member of the U.S. Army....I&acute;m soooooo glad it has begun....I&acute;ve been working long hours with minimal sleep in support of the mission overseas and I can&acute;t wait till it&acute;s over... Can&acute;t seem to unglue myself from the t.v when I&acute;m home... and now I can&acute;t wait to get back to work.... I&acute;m so honored to represent the U.S. and it&acute;s Mighty Military...

... /me is from germany, yess we are not supporting the war. <br /> <br />and /me is also ok with it, wheres the sense? just to get 1(!!!) person to kill so much??????? <br /> <br />ans specially - }:| }:| bush}:| }:| - i do not like him... he is a strange guy ;-) i hope that not too much people will die... <br /> <br />greetingzzz. <br /> <br />Nico <br /> <br />P.S. to bugz - sorry but you think U S A is un&quot;dead&quot;able hm? ... its a fact that america is thinking they are in &quot;godmode&quot; the whole time.. come on, you are not the only one with weapons... :-)

The US needs to improve it&acute;s relations with the Arabian world. Other countries very clearly see the arogance of our actions. Even our alies. The ppl (note ppl, not gov) in quoate don&acute;t even like us that much any more. Some kind of PR is needed, but Bush has said out right that he doesn&acute;t care how the US is precieved. It&acute;s an on going problem, and I feel it is a part to this one. I don&acute;t know if iit would have stopped the war, but it may have.

Anyhow, things are screwed now. /me starts throwing mud at snow

I was sent this by a good Internet friend, <br /> <br />Subject: Prayer at <br />In W.W.II, there was an adviser to Churchill who organized a group of people who dropped what they were doing every day at a prescribed hour for one minute to collectively pray for the safety of England, its people and for peace. There is now a group of people organizing the same thing here in America. <br />If you would like to participate, every evening at 9:00pm Eastern Time, stop whatever you are doing and spend one minute praying for the safety of the United States, its citizens, its men and women in the military, and for peace in the world. If you know anyone else who would like to participate, please pass this along. <br /> <br />Thank You, and God Bless America. <br /> <br />Dr. Richard H. (Dick) Pritchard (Col, USAFR - Ret) <br />Director, Federal Programs, 1224 Kinnear Road <br /> <br />Thank you Dennis for sending this. <br /> <br />If it were your country, I would not spit out my opinions because I don&acute;t live under your Government and don&acute;t know what it&acute;s like to live in your Country, I also have to much respect for you baseheads to involve my self in putting any one&acute;s Country down. Try praying for peace then adding fuel to a flame burning already.......

No offence chichi, but I don&acute;t think praying will ever prevent/stop a war :|

Actually... if all warring parties would start praying, there would be no war, because they would all be praying (hey hey!).

I don&acute;t get it. How did Sodamn Insane gotten involved on Sept 11th attack? }:? Is there a connection?

Chickie: nah, but I don&acute;t wanna give you my thoughts on why Bushy is attacking Mr. Insane.... they would just cause the biggest flame thread in the history of the messageboard! <br />(but I can tell you that it has nothing to do with oil or weapons at all!)

I hope the people of Iraq will finally get some relief from the brutal treatment that have lived through every day for most of their lives. Won&acute;t it be nice when they have the resources and freedom to post on Skinbase? There are so many things we just take for granted here in the US. <br /> <br />I, for one, being a Viet Nam vet am very supportive of our troops and their families and hope for their safe return. I have a pretty godd idea what they are going through. I personally belive this war is about much more than just Iraq and this is in a sense a statement war to the rest of the terrorist states and groups. I also believe that, as in most wars, financial and geo-political considerations shape our opinions, both pro and con. <br /> <br />We all have our opinion and the the right to express them, unlike millions and millions of others around the world. If someone could devise a method to negociate with terroist, this thread wouldn&acute;t be here. <br /> <br />At the end of the day, our troops are there, our government has commited and I can only hope for the war to be over quickly. <br /> <br />

... maybe one of them will be saddam - but LOTS of &quot;not Saddams&quot; have been and will be HIT!!! thatz the problem - thanx tu bush... :devil

2 questions that will prove my innocence in this subject. <br /> <br />- As it been proven that Saddam is linked to terrorist of 9/11 if so please send me link to it? <br /> <br />- What did Saddam do to the USA. <br /> <br />Don&acute;t get me wrong I hate the guy as much as everyone. and I will support all of the troops from the U.S or U.K or Australia involve in this battle because they are fighting for a good cause. What I don&acute;t understand is why is the U.S involve at all if Saddam didn&acute;t do nothing to the United-State? <br /> <br />He&acute;s a tyrant to his own people and to country around him. Not to the U.S. Now find Osama and kill him he as done something to the United-State. But in this case isn&acute;t the U.S.A involve in a fight that is not theirs? <br /> <br />So i&acute;m not for the war, nor am I agains&acute;t it. I simply don&acute;t understand it.

Snowy, Bush isn&acute;t my fav person. I never did like Bush.

Couldn&acute;t agree more chickie, but the only problem is: where are they?!

War sucks. Shit happens. :|

that´s what i was saying. the regular Al-Samoud flies shorter than 150km and was therefore allowed. the modified Al-Samoud II wasn´t. <br /> <br />and you as i know the destruction already began and could not be finished, beacuse the US started the war. <br /> <br />so why is it surprising to find that weapons that could not be destroyed in time? <br />they just make news that aren´t. of course the tv audience has an attention span of about ten minutes, so this might be indeed a great evidence for them. <br /> <br />it´s pretty cheap propaganda, seems they are not finding anything else. <br /> <br />

under sanctions? Nope Iraq was barred from having any milliles with a range over 150km due to UN resolutions and as terms of the origional cease fire 12 years ago. Iraq took off the guidence systems and pretended they were just minor short range missiles when in fact they were actually designed to go much further than 150km. And Iraq wasn&acute;t supposed to have missiles capable of delivering chemical payloads which these are. That is why Hanz Blix was pissed at Iraq for having them and not declaring them, and that&acute;s what he ordered iraq to start destroying them.

Chichi: it´s nothing new. Iraq admitted they have these missiles before the war started. the UN inspectors were not given the time to destroy them. <br />the US had to start the war in time. now inthe Middle East is the time of the Chamsin (heavy sand storms). sand storms eat helicopter. <br /> <br />what kind of proof is this? finding weapons that the enemy said he has. amazing discovery... <br /> <br />i saíd it in an earlier post and it seems to become true. the longer the war lasts, the less the US care for civilian lives: <br />http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/2909589.stm <br /> <br />cluster bombing children ... what a great &quot;liberation&quot; is that? the people of Iraq have two enemys: Saddam and the invaders.

Al-Samoud under the sanctions.....? Nope it&acute;s over and confirmed this morning. It was 2 Al-Samoud II missiles. My opinion no matter what we find for proof will never be enough for some and always have something else for excuses.... <br /> <br />But if we did nothing at all, what might have been the out come that we all could live with. example> RR crossing on such and such street, 19 have been killed in the last year, what does it take for some one to wake up, how many lives have to die to do something........

interesting channel. <br /> <br />now back to reality: <br /> <br />Iraq is allowed to have short-range missiles of the type Al-Samoud under the sanctions. the missiles Iraq is not allowed to have missiles of the type Al-Samoud II (that are able to fly 20 miles further than the maximum allowed distance). the destruction of those Al-Samoud II missiles through the UN inspectors began just a few weeks ago. then the US and the British started the war. <br /> <br />how is this find surprising when the US did not allow to the UN inspectors to finish their job? everybody knows that not all of these missiles were brought to the destruction site yet.

there´s not any mention of civilian casualties at this Fox &quot;News&quot; site. is this war considered a video game in your country? <br /> <br />&quot;Sights And Sounds Of War&quot; - bah. <br /> <br />i visited your country twice and enjoyed it very much. all Americans i met were very gentle people. but i guess i only got in touch with a minority.

I watch Fox news and CNN a lot. On TV they report a lot on civilian casualties and show footage of them in the hostpitals, and even clips from Iraqi and Arab TV. The site...i dunno. Their site I think is more or less just to advertise their tv programs...not an online news source like MSNBC.com or News.com <br /> <br />

Moshi, you mention Colin Powell had lied/or was misinformed by his intelligence service <br />when addressing the UN Security Council. Are you talking about his address to UNSC on <br />February 5, 2003? I must have missed it so right now I’m just looking for a clarification. <br /> <br />I look at the missile situation like this. In 1991 Saddam was ordered to destroy missiles <br />capable of flying further than 150km and those missiles capable of delivering chemical/bio <br />weapons. Saddam did not willingly comply. If the inspectors found them they were <br />destroyed. To my knowledge No chemical/bio weapons were found and None were <br />destroyed. In 1998 and not by choice the inspectors left Iraq, and did not return until <br />2002. Do you know what was going on in Iraq during these years with no supervision. <br />Was he still destroying those missiles and chemical/bio weapons.... It’s a fact he had them, <br />it’s a fact no one witnessed their destruction except for the few missiles found by the <br />inspectors. Then Saddam goes in front of the UN and says “I don’t have any WMD&quot; and <br />demands that the UN lift all sanctions imposed on Iraq by the UN. Now that’s Balls.....

Proof= Found two missles and seen them live on TV today......

I believe that Iraq has chemical and Bio weppons. We&acute;re finding more and more evidence of this be it by more and more discovered chemical suits, atropene needles, instructions in different areas about how to properly use them on enemy forces, and chemical facilities that appear to be recently cleaned out. A (rather smart) tactic Iraq may use is to try and destroy them before the US can get hold of them to discredit the coalition and send out a last &quot;we told you so.&quot; On the other hand if Iraq does this at least our troops won&acute;t be hit by them.

Hobnobber, it is sad that somebody who often states how old he is knows so little about history. <br /> <br />lets start with Afghanistan: the government of Afghanistan was communist. they asked the Russians for military aid to stay in power. the US supported the various group of freedom fighters during the cold war. they did support both Afghan as well as Muslim internationalists that came to Afghanistan to fight the aggressors. one of the leaders of those internationalist groups was Osama bin Laden. <br /> <br />the former enemys of the US (Germany and Japan) became friends of the OS. this has nothing to do with &quot;enemy of the enemy&quot;. the enemy of the enemy at this time were the Russians. &quot;Uncle Joe&quot; Stalin never considered Roosevelt as his friend though. <br /> <br />i have already agreed that until now the loss of civilian lives is not as high as i feared before the war started. i am scared though that this will not last as it seems the Iraquis do not want to be &quot;liberated&quot; by foreign aggressors. did your friend show you pictures of Basra too? here the infrastructure has been bombed (not as many western correspondents there). <br /> <br />btw: it is not a &quot;well known fact&quot; that Saddam does have weapons of mass destruction. the US government says he does, but has not presented any real evidence for that. instead Colin Powell tried to fool the UN security council with faked evidence. why didn´t he show real evidence? <br />as you i do believe there might be still some chemical weapons in Iraq, but this is far away from being considered as a &quot;well known fact&quot;.

I am totally in favor of this war for SOME of the reasons I stated above. I think that war is <br />sometimes inevitable to attain peace and granted, it can cause more violence after the fact. <br />We only have to look at Germany after WW2 to verify the suffering those people were <br />subjected to. I am also sure that most of this violence with be brought against the <br />American people in one form or another, but we’ll cross that bridge when we get there. <br /> <br />As far as WMD is concerned, it is a fact that Saddam used nerve gas in the war against <br />Iran in the 80’s. In addition, and also a well known fact, that he has Mustard Gas, Anthrax <br />and who knows what others. I believe he has some chemical weapons because they have <br />already found antidote tablets in the possession of the Iraqi Regular army, found chemical <br />protective suits and vials used to administer an antidote. If in fact he doesn’t have chemical <br />weapons, why equip his troops with this type of gear? I am not surprised they haven’t <br />found any of these weapons in the first 10 days of the war. The weapons would have to <br />be hidden in the path of our advancing army to trip over..... <br /> <br />How long will it last? Your guess is as good as mine. I don’t have a clue... As far as the <br />bombing is concerned, I was given this link by a good friend. <br />http://www.digitalglobe.com/gallery/baghdad/ It is a satellite picture of Baghdad after some <br />of the bombing. It clearly shows what has been bombed and what has not.. I was quite <br />impressed over the clarity and most of all the City of Baghdad it self... This tells me that <br />we are not trashing the cities of Iraq. <br /> <br />Thinking the enemy of the enemy becomes a friend..... I only look at Germany and Japan <br />to KNOW that this line of thought does happen. Will it happen again? Only time will tell. <br />As far as Osama is concerned, I believe the US supported Afghanistan against the Russians <br />and Bin Laden was not a part of the Afghanistan government....